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In the previous post, I discussed fence choices for sacrifice areas such as paddocks. Since horses will be in close contact, considerable thought has to be given as to what will be safest. More expensive choices can be considered in smaller areas, verses perimeter fencing which must be done over large areas, may need a more affordable and cheaper fencing alternative.

Possibilities for Road Side pasture fencing or entrance fencing:

Pipe Fencing ~ A very expensive choice however, a good choice for a property line that runs alongside a busy road. Pipe fencing can be 100 percent pipe or a combination of pipe posts and a top rail of pipe with the rest of the rails being a cheaper product such as cable or rubber. Spacing between posts can be up to 10 feet, but check with your fabricator and installer.

White PVC or Hard  Vinyl/Plastic fencing ~ I’ve already stated why I am not a fan of this type of fence. It is a favorite though to use along the entrance of a property. IMO this is an expensive, pretty product that requires expensive maintenance and doesn’t contain horses well. Requires an offset electric guard wire and is spaced 8′ apart.

Wooden Board fencing ~ High in maintenance since wood warps in weather and ages, as well as if it is painted needing a re-paint. However, board fencing does allow a lot of fun options on styling your fence such as this Crossbuck fence below.

Spacing is 8 feet and an offset electric guard wire needs to be installed to prevent horses leaning on fence.

Flexible Vinyl fencing ~ Two companies, RAMM and Centaur are providing a flexible vinyl fencing product that you can use by itself to provide a rail look with less maintenance; these fences do need to be periodically tightened and also need proper installation to work right. The Centaur product can by itself be electrified, or you can add an offset guard wire which I would on any perimeter fence.

Color choices are generally black, brown or white. White offsets the boundaries of a property and from the road is the most visible to the passerby. However, if you are in a high moisture area will mildew. I personally prefer black and brown fences as they fade away into the background and the property itself is more visible.

They can also be combined with wire filament (cable, plastic, electric rope etc…) for a lower cost. Spacing can be between 8-10 feet depending on the type of fence and install.

RAMM fence with three rails and two lines

The big benefit of this fence is that it has flex to it. If a horse hits the fence he won’t be shattering or breaking boards, metal or hard plastic that could potentially injure him. The Centaur product does contain a wire within the rail product. Fastens onto large posts.

Fences for very long property lines:

EquiLine filament fencing ~ I’ve seen this fence in action and really like it. It works well over hilly terrain, bounces when horses hit it, and is a cheaper alternative to the above fence products. It’s a good choice for cross fencing and hilly terrain.

However, it is not as cheap as wire and it does need tensioning. It also needs wooden posts as opposed to t-posts so costs more in that area of the installation. Does need to be offset with electric (preferably a black and white rope or tape) to really keep horses off the fence. Can be spaced 10-12 feet apart.

EquiLine by Premier1 with offset black and white electric rope

Electric Rope and Tape fencing ~ For horse containment, I would never use just electric alone unless you plan on using several rows of it (at LEAST FOUR). While one electric strand as a standalone might keep a cow contained it will not keep a horse safely on your property.

I personally prefer a fence that contains a variety of elements – such as a wide tape across the top with rope strands, or EquiLine with an offset electric rope, or wire fencing with offset electric tape, board fence with electric, etc….

Some people like tape and others rope. My personal preference is a black and white rope over tape because I live in a windy part of the U.S. Tape inevitably blows about and gets disconnected here. I also like the contrast of black and white because it makes the rope visible to the horse against green grass or white snow. Horses see in contrasts so you want the fence to show irregardless of the weather.

My least favorite electric option is using smooth wire for electric. It’s not visible to the horse and can garrote-cut like any smooth wire.

Smooth Wire or Barbed Wire (later not recommended) fencing ~ Smooth wire and t-posts is super cheap and a fast way to construct a fence. It can also be removed (except for corner posts). T-posts can be 8-12 feet apart (realize the farther apart posts are you are sacrificing support).

It has the potential for some very nasty injuries. It’s NOT my top choice for the obvious reason that it cuts like a garrot when a horse goes through it and it can be incredibly hard for a horse to see. For example, after putting up this fence, Z almost went through it! I personally prefer the EquiLine but wire can be installed using t-posts so it makes it a cheap, quick and dirty, fence that is favored by many.

Remember, the end posts, corner posts, and gate posts should be at least 4×4 posts sunk in concrete with additional bracing between (see the other post about smooth wire for photos). If doing a small line of fence like Pandora’s paddock, use a fence tightener which can be used by hand. For maximum tension, use a tractor to pull tight.

Smooth wire with bracing end posts

black and white smooth wire

To make the wire a bit safer at a previous self-care place, I made it more visible, by spraypainting it with bands of black and white. Since horses see contrasts better then humans, the black and white should help.

Shown here (below) you can see the top two lines are already done, and the bottom is still the original silver color. All the t-posts have been capped so no horse will become a shiskabob (this happens when the horse rears at fenceline and comes down on top of a t-post).
 

The plan (above) was to eventually put on two lines of of electric which is held by the plastic topper and the white plastic clip shown midway down. The electric would have been a combo color of white and black rope to increase visibility and respect for the fence.

T-posts with Wire Panel Fencing ~ Wire panel fencing comes in rolls and is attached to wooden end posts and braced along the line with metal t-posts. This is a good choice if you live in an urban area and need to keep dogs out (though they can access the gate area it does restrict their entry point).

If you had a foal or were breeding horses, the size of the square would need to prevent foal hooves entering and getting caught (it’s called “no-climb” wire). I’m not sure of the dimesions of the squares on this fence – it may be no climb.

T-posts can be installed using a t-post driver. This fits over the top of your t-post and you pull it up, hammering the t-post down into the ground. It takes A LOT OF shoulder strength! A message board thread about putting in t-posts can be found here. I believe those above are spaced about 10 feet apart. I wouldn’t go any wider as your fence will lose stability.

These fencelines ended with Railroad Ties used as posts and cross braced, installed by a  tractor. You need a machine to pull the fence tight or again it WILL sag.

JMO but for our geographical plains area, I would have put rope instead of tape as it blows too much. This fence also works best on flat terrain, not hilly land.

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That covers the basics of fencing the perimeter of your property for horse use. Points to consider when choosing a fence:

Function of the fence – arena, roundpen, entrance, parking, house, decorative, contains animals (type, number, age, etc…)

Neighbors and roads – where would your horse goes if he escaped? Cross fencing can be more breakable then say road side fencing. Dog problem? Consider panel fencing AND a paintball gun.

Terrain – hilly, smooth and flat, heavily wooded, ponds and creeks

Value of your animals vs. fencing costs – show barns, boarding stables and expensive horses need to be protected as an investment. Cheaper horses still need protection but property owners may need to do so upon a restricted budget.

Consider combination fencing and keep upgrading fencing as the budget allows. Good fencing is never a regret. A dead or severely injured horse is.

ALWAYS add electric to any fencing!

Some sort of electric is essential with any sort of horse fence. A fence without electric will inevitably get rubbed upon and pushed down. However, for electric to work you MUST check it on a regular basis to insure that it is still carrying a charge, keep brush and grass from contacting the fence along the fenceline as this drains the charge, and make sure you select a charger to power the linear feet of fence you are using -using a charger without the right amount of power leads to a weak fence.

If using a solar charger, have a battery back up connected so when you lose the sun for a few days you don’t lose your fence!

Two weeks from now we will start to clean up and prep the MO farm for the pony and Z to be moved. Husband got me more photos and some measurements and that is going to be more tricky then I expected. The barn itself is 38′ wide and 40′ long with only one large entrance and a few smaller exit doors. This will mean issues with air flow and horse movement which I will get to in a minute.

One wall has a tack room 10′ wide and 18′ deep with a regular door. This is more then enough to house our tack and feed. I’ve got large, quality garage shelving we could put up, buckets, tubs, feed containers, bridle racks, and I’ll buy a free standing saddle rack stand too which will make this area functional and nice. It’s big enough we are going to put our Christmas box storage in here too!

Next to the tack room is an 8 x 18 deep walled section between tack room and an open area. Husband thought it was probably a wash rack area though he didn’t see a faucet. I’ll probably use it as a hay storage spot as you can pack a lot of square bales in such a tight spot if you go all the way to the rafters and a place for mucking tools.

Next is an open area (18 x 20) probably used to store hay and equipment but it is the wall that opens to the outdoor paddocks so my plan is to cut this area into two oddly shaped stalls of 10 x 18. These stalls will eventually have exits to the paddocks located on that side of the barn.

The individual paddocks are 15 x 21, which in turn open into the field. These two stalls will be set aside for Big Guy and a companion trail horse gelding or possible boarder. They will share a field that is separate (shared fence line) from Z due to her aggression and the age of the boys.

Across the aisle on the opposite wall is currently 4: 10 x 10 stalls. These are rather small for my needs so I am thinking of reconfiguring them to a combination of three stalls: 2 @ 10 x 15 and one 10 x 10. That would mean moving only one wall. I may remove the wooden stall front of the 10×10 stall and replace that with portable panels – that way I could use it for hay storage, bedding storage or move the chicken tractor inside during winter.

The current stall door openings are narrow (guessing 2-3 feet while I prefer 4′). Definitely jail like!

I’ll be making them 4′ gates and I really like this one from Tractor Supply. The benefit is that the wire is too small to allow the entrance of dogs but allows air flow and sightability of the horse within the stall.

I think what I will probably do first is get supports put in for the new stalls, then a gravel mix dumped inside the barn aisle and get that spread about before closing in the new stalls. On top of gravel will be stall mats (the recycled rubber ones from Tractor Supply) which I’ll buy one stall at a time to spread the cost. I need 32 mats:  7+1/2 for each 10×18 stall; 4 (+ a bit) for the 10×10 stall; and 6 (+ a bit) for each 10×15 stall. I want the stalls fully prepped before winter (definitely by Thanksgiving in November) for at least two horses.

Other misc. that I need to look at when I go up next weekend:

Wiring for heated water buckets (winter) and for fans (summer)

Water locations

Post locations and types

Possible doorways

Layout plan for the pastures

Fenceline that needs repairs

It may sound like a lot of changes but not really. The structure is sound and there looks to be plenty of good lumber. I need the run in shed for pony built and one good stall for Z fixed up right away. My plan is to move Big Guy in September so I can work on the stalls and getting the rest fixed up over the next four months. There should be plenty of time to get it done … and hopefully funds if I heavily shop Craigslists and recycle.

When it comes to the house that is mostly deciding on what furniture, storage and such. It’s in great shape (far better then the barn) and being a rental I won’t be making remodeling changes anyway. Besides who cares about the HOUSE??? lol!

We found an awesome website with some great photos of smaller sheds for livestock. I really like this shed here with the angled front roof. They also have a pretty neat flip up, covered feeder which I think could be adapted to being a slow feeder and I’ll be setting the hay lower, towards the ground.

Lumber plan for 2 mini-shed shelter: 6×9 with a 6′ roof sloping to 5′ :

2: 4 x 8 x 10 (skids) treated

1: 4 x 4 x 6

4: 2 x 4 x 8

7: 2 x 4 x 6

5: 2 x 4 x 10

2 sheets of 4 x 8 plywood

Siding:

51 linear feet

30 linear feet for corner

9 linear feet for roof peak

18 linear feet of roof edging

With a supply list in hand I can start checking out used lumber via CL. More diagrams… I’ll take photos during the construction.

 

 

I like to spend some time on drawings, information gathering and making supply lists. It helps me determine how I can cut costs and if the final design will actually work before I build.

We found someone advertising metal siding seconds. Since this is a small project, and we could get some metal siding and roofing for quite cheap: $1.70 per linear foot. We also learned that the panels come in three foot wide sheets, so reduced the width of the pony shed to 9 feet to use 3 sheets evenly for the roof and back wall. The side walls of 6′ already divide evenly into 3 and both sidewalls will be solid.

I was still feeling uneasy about the height of the shed. It seemed very tall considering that Pandora is 39″ tall herself, and when she rears doesn’t reach my own height of 5′ 5″. The height concerns me because of my continual fear of sheds blowing over that are not anchored down. Re-doing the plan, I reduced the height of the shed so the front is 6′ sloping to a 5′ back wall.

I’ll be working up a lumber supply list this weekend. From experience the most costly lumber will be the treated lumber that will be touching the ground.

Last week was difficult. One reason, was I heard from Pandora’s BO that she wanted to sell off her minis’ and could we look into getting Pandora moved in the next few months..? Meanwhile, we were also checking out a place to rent, a small home with access to 8 acres. Instead of all of this falling apart, husband says it’s falling together. Damn those optimists…

Upon contemplation, we decided that the best thing to do is bring Pandora home to us and possibly provide her a companion (probably another pony we will buy – yes a pony for the pony!). With that in mind, we started plans on building a pony shelter – a small loafing shed designed specifically for minis’ – that would be built on skids. This would allow us to remove it from the rental property at a later date and to move it about in the pasture if we found a better spot or wanted the first paddock area to rest.

I discovered while researching moveable sheds is they may not (look at your own code) require a building permit because they are not considered a permnement structure. The size of your shed would also determine if it would need a building permit so doublecheck the city and county codes before beginning.

First we settled on size. We wanted it big enough to house two minis and for an adult to walk inside. Husband is 6’2″ so the minimum height would be 7 feet. Finalized height would be 7′ in the front opening and sloping down to 6′  at the back.

The width would need to allow two MINIS to access. Mini’s aren’t as big as ponies so if a standard horse stall is 12′ x 12′, I figured that a 10′ opening with a 6′ side measurement wall should work out just fine. I want the space to be small enough that two minis could snuggle up and produce mutual body heat. The bigger the shed, the harder that would be to happen.

This shed will be three walled with one opening. This should provide enough stability that the shed could be moved and the large south facing, opening allow the ponies to enter and exit without fuss.

I’m not a big fan of sheds that aren’t not stabilized into the ground. I’ve seen one completely flip over and that was just due to high winds – no tornado. Scary! I’m hoping that being small this shed won’t run that much of a risk; we are also going to make a gap between the solid back wall and the roof  to allow air flow though. The back lower wall would be insulated and covered with plywood.

The reality of ponies is they are seldom in their sheds. They much prefer to stand out in the snow and ice so they can forage for food that perhaps someone accidently dropped or that Mother Nature is hiding! I’ve shown up in a blizzard with freezing rain only to find Pandora standing outside, icicles in her mane as she dug under the snow. Meanwhile, the horses, with layers of blankets, are shivering in their stalls asking for a hot toddy.

Here are some photo examples I found:

This goat shed is too small but I do like the nicely angled roof and how well it is put together. The roof to our shed will also be a sloped platform like this one. Right now our plan has it overhanging the front and the back by one foot each.

This brown shed is for horses. It has a sloped roof with a feed door access on the solid wall with some roof overhang. Clever!

This shed was made from recycled metal paneling, most likely from ends of a barn build or even cut up metal sheds. BTW I’ve found metal sheds listed for very little to even free on Craigslist. I find it rather ugly myself, and the front opening that is further closed in just looks like a place for a pony to get boxed in during an altercation.

As we start to build, I will take photos and also post a supply list and schematic on the structure.